FFFF000000060001001277AA0000000000500000000010012110081400┬480048028BE20┴-1é0┬2é8BE219BFFFF┴0é10éé2é000100000AC9000000280A3040840üéüé2é47219B9EF04CC00046224721730A30136540840üéüé472288219B8FB04CC0008722882160013651B8E40840üéüé8822BD219B81204CC000BC22BD28601B8E233A40840üéüéBD22E7219B79404CE000E622E728B0233A2C6840840üéüéE722128219B92204CC0001272212824102C68341A40840üéüé12822158219B77204CC0001572215821780341A3C5340840üéüé1582218B219B82604CC00018A2218B27103C5343C440840üéüé18B221BE219B75904CE0001BD221BE28B043C44B8F40840üéüé1BE221F1219B79604CC0001F0221F1215504B8F535140840üéüé1F12222C219B7A804CE00022B2222C2A7053515B1C40840üéüé22C2225D219B7B004CE00025C2225D2AE05B1C636B40840üéüé25D22295219B83304CC000294222952AA0636B6B9840840üéüé295222DA219B82004CC0002D9222DA24506B98735840840üéüé2DA2231C219B7B404CC00031B2231C247073587BB140840üéüé31C22353219B82B04CC00035222353212407BB1836C40840üéüé3532237F219B79704CE00037E2237F2E40836C8B5A40840üéüé37F223B1219B7C704CC0003B0223B12EE08B5A931D40840üéüé3B1223EC219B7AB04CE0003EB223EC2880931D9B5E40840üéüé3EC22425219B82504CC000424224252AD09B5EA3E440840üéüé42522469219B87C04CC0004682246923B0A3E4AB8840840üéüé469224A1219B78A04CE0004A0224A12A60AB88B34440840üéüé4A1224CF219B7B704CC0004CE224CF2220B344BB5A40840üéüé4CF2250B219B7F304CC00050A2250B2D10BB5AC45140840üéüé50B22541219B8D804CC000540225412BC0C451CBFB40840üéüé54122576219B79D04CC000575225762450CBFBD3FF40840üéüé576225A7219B7EF04CC0005A6225A72800D3FFDBB440840üéüé5A7225E1219B78004CE0005E0225E121440DBB4E38740840üéüé5E122612219B7C904CC0006112261223D0E387EC7640840üéüé6122264A219B8D604CC0006492264A2940EC76F5A240840üéüé64A22683219B91004CC000682226832B30F5A2FCE840840üéüé683226B7219B71B04CC0006B6226B721090FCE81055F40840üéüé6B7226EB219B86304CC0006EA226EB27401055F10D9640840üéüé6EB2272F219B80304CC00072E2272F2145010D961149740840üéüé72F22760219B6F404CC00075F2276024701149711C0540840üéüé7602278E219B75204CC00078D2278E2B0011C05123F340840üéüé78E227C4219B7B304CC0007C3227C421700123F312B7E40840üéüé7C4227F8219B78204CC0007F7227F8234012B7E1335540840üéüé7F82282C219B7CE04CC00082B2282C22701335513B8F40840üéüé82C2286C219B83104CC00086B2286C234013B8F1481440840üéüé86C228BE219BC85048E0008BD228BE220000200000A3600000000 A30,8/14/96 4:41:10 PM Opening "T&D.LOG"Skating/Skiing (Winter Sport /Torvill & DeanSubj: New folderDate: 1/17/96 12:47:50 AMFrom: SoulzMate Posted on: America OnlineHi all,A request was made to create a special folder just for T&D. I can't imagine two skaters I would like to create a folder for more.Enjoy. Kimber <--humming "Cecilia....you're breaking my heart....."Subj: Re:New folderDate: 1/17/96 3:27:31 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineThanks Kimber, I've been waiting for T&D to have their own folder. It seems as though they are a popular topic of conversation in the ice dancing folder.I'm looking forward to discussing their latest routine STILL CRAZY AFTER ALL THESE YEARS which should be broadcast next Friday on the World Pro Competition on NBC, 8 p.m. EST! Set those VCRs!But why wait, let's start now! Who saw this routine at Landover? What did you think?Margo Von T.Subj: Re:New folderDate: 1/17/96 9:21:11 AMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineYea!!! A T&D folder! Thanks Kimber, we needed that! Also, just wanted to let people know that I found a T&D book actually published in the US by Blackbirch Press. (Woodbridge, CT) It's part of their Partners series for "juveniles" - 112 pages including glossary, chronology, etc. But I would say it's written for the older juvenile. (I enjoyed it!) I tried to order from my local BDaltons and they were unable - finally got it by calling Blackbirch on their 800 number. They do take credit cards. PamSubj: Re:new folderDate: 1/17/96 9:56:20 AMFrom: BevAFresh3 Posted on: America OnlineSo happy to have this folder!! So many have helped me find information on T&D and their books and tapes!!! This is wonderful....since I'm really not a skating fan as such, but enjoy T&D and always anxious to know any thing about them....I often might miss their appearances on TV because I'm not familar with the names of the shows (What I'm trying to say....if it doesn't come right out and say T&D..I might miss it). So thanks so much for the information on the up coming show. Any others I should be watching for? Thanks again....BevSubj: Re:New folderDate: 1/17/96 5:06:28 PMFrom: Sesti Posted on: America OnlineI saw "Still Crazy..." at Landover, and loved it! My memory isn't all that good, but in my notes, I have comments on the unique spins (as I remember, one looked almost like a pairs spin) and a move that looked strangely like Underhill & Martini's "leap of faith". It was very innovative... I can't wait to see it again!00020000093B00000A30 935,JaimeSubj: Videos and Books Lists ReqDate: 1/18/96 1:07:41 AMFrom: PIreneP Posted on: America OnlineI know I am repeating myself, but could someone please post a list of books, tapes, PBS broadcasts, and possibly CDs that are commercially available re: Torvill and Dean. I am in desperate need of aquiring EVERYTHING related to them. I am sure there are others like me out there... Subj: Re:Videos and Books Lists ReDate: 1/18/96 1:18:15 PMFrom: BevAFresh3 Posted on: America OnlineDitto here too.......BevSubj: Re:Videos and Books Lists ReDate: 1/18/96 3:52:05 PMFrom: Sk8Cols Posted on: America OnlineThe Face the Music autobiography is available in the UK and now also in Canada. I ordered mine before Christmas from Blackwell's in the UK (use a web browser to find online bookstores and go from there...)Would be interested in a canadian source for the Face the Music videotape! Mary HiserSubj: Re:Videos and Books Lists ReDate: 1/18/96 8:25:43 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineI found Dillons, Gower Street, on the Web with the Yahoo browser. This is where I ordered and received my copies of both the autobiogrpahy and Fire on Ice. However, I did it by phone, not by the WWW. PamSubj: RE: New folderDate: 1/18/96 11:03:40 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineHey, hey, hey! It's about time T&D got their own folder! I haven't been on AOL for a couple of days and now I find this lovely surprise waiting for me.I have my VCR on standby for next Friday and Saturday. Does anyone know when ABC plans to air the dance portion of the London competion that was shown last Saturday? Did T&D do the same programs they did at Landover?JoeAnnKSubj: Re:RE: New folderDate: 1/21/96 6:27:31 PMFrom: DeliNellie Posted on: America OnlineWell I don't get here very often, so I was thrilled to see this folder. I have been a huge fan since I was 10 and saw Mack and Mabel. I don't think enough can ever be said about these two. At Landover T&D skated "Still Crazy After All These Years" and "Cecilia". At Challenge of Champions they did "Bridge" and "Cecilia". Of course I could watch "Cecilia" a tousand times and never get tired of it. Hang on, I have seen it a thousand times! Thank God for VCRs. Thanks again for this great folder! 00020000082F00001365 829,DeliNellie( as in Nellie from the Deli)GabriellaSubj: Re:RE: New folderDate: 1/21/96 6:35:05 PMFrom: LALilliput Posted on: America OnlineHi fellow T & D fans.... I too am a fan and was there living in England in the 80's and have only a British VCR speed tape...Am looking for help in updating my tape and getting in US VCR speeds.Remember Barnum and Bailey???? That was a good one too!!!!Thanks Lisa ArendSubj: Re: Reformatting T&D tapesDate: 1/21/96 10:01:01 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineLALilliput, The best bet is to look in the phone book under videos and see if your town/city has a firm that will copy the tapes for you in the new format. I had to do this twice, once in Charlotte, NC, where I did the "Path to Perfection" "Fire on Ice" 2-tape cassette, and then once here in Niceville, FL, where I did the Tour tape. The larger the town/city the more affordable the process is, I found, however it's best to call around. It cost me $28 in Charlotte and almost $50 here. Good luck!PamSubj: Re: Reformatting T&D tapesDate: 1/22/96 2:56:19 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHello everyone,It's so great to read the notes and find everyone excited about a T&D folder! Me too! As per a few requests, here's a list of some of the T&D things available commercially and where:The "Face The Music" Tour Tape is available in England and Canada. Canada is the NTSC format. The number I have is for A&B Sound in Vancouver and it's 1-800-663-0596. The tapes are on backorder, but perhaps if enough people call they will get moving on it! This tape is supposed to be released in the U.S. but no word on when.The T&D autobiography is available in England and Canada. Bookstores will ship. I ordered mine from Dillon's in London at 011-44-171-636-1577 and received it in about a week. You can also order the two other T&D books through Dillon's "Fire on Ice" -- a "coffee table" book with wonderful photos and the Christopher Hilton biography that was released in '94 (also has lots of great photos).0002000007B200001B8E 7AC,The T&D "Face the Music" CD, which has music from their routines from '82 through '94 (Summertime through Face the Music) is only available in England. I ordered mine from Tower Records in London at 011-44-171-439-2500 and received it in about 2 weeks.Don't forget when ordering from England that the exchange rate is about $1.50 per pound -- so 10 pounds would be about $15. Also, shipping is pricey, running from about 5 pounds for a CD to about 7-8 pounds for books. But I have found it very pleasant ordering from England and that I get things quickly and in good shape.Other T&D tapes available in the U.S. are "Path To Perfection", "T&D and the Russian All Stars", and "Sun Valley Seminar" All of these are available through Rainbo in Chicago. (Sorry, I don't have a number at the moment) You can also order "Path" and "All Stars" from Suncoast Video. I've also found "All Stars" on the shelf at Suncoast, Tower Video, Best Buys, and Borders Books.T&D routines are also found on "Magic Memories on Ice I" (Olympic "Bolero"); "Magic Memories II" ('84 Olympic Exhibition "I Won't Send Roses"); "Great Routines of the '80's" ("Venus" and "Valentino Tango" from the '85 World Pro Competition -- beware, the voice over on this is terrible, but the routines are worth seeing, especially the comic tango); and 1994 Olympics Ice skating tapes. The competition tape has both the rhumba OD and "Face the Music" and the double tape set includes the '94 exhibition "Bolero". I have found all of these tapes at Suncoast Video and they are most likely available through Rainbo.Hope this helps everyone add to their collection. Speaking of which, don't forget to set your VCR's for 1995 World Professional Competition this weekend -- Friday at 8 p.m. (EST) NBC for "technical " (T&D's "Still Crazy") and Saturday 8 p.m. (EST) NBC for artistic (T&D "Cecelia"). Best,Margo Von T.Subj: T&D Tapes, etc.Date: 1/22/96 2:58:56 PMFrom: MargoVonT 0002000009340000233A 92E,Posted on: America OnlineFYI -- there are numbers and an address for Rainbo Sports in the ice dance folder.Margo Von T.Subj: Re: Reformatting T&D tapesDate: 1/22/96 5:58:08 PMFrom: SoulzMate Posted on: America OnlineDear Margo,>>>Speaking of which, don't forget to set your VCR's for 1995 World Professional Competition this weekend<<<Bless you!!! I'm one of those horrible people that needs reminders like this. Kimber Subj: Re: Reformatting T&D tapesDate: 1/22/96 9:04:52 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineMargo, Thanks for the "where to get it" information. I'm glad to have the Canadian information, particularly ;^)PamSubj: Re: Dillon's BookstoreDate: 1/22/96 9:39:20 PMFrom: TandDFanP Posted on: America OnlineI just found a WEB address from Dillon's Bookstore in Gower Street, London, which is where I got my T&D autobiography (It was in the sports section...if you call,) but if you want to WEB it,the address ishttp://www.dillons.com.uk/The order area is gotten to from a button at the bottom of the books page (and probably the music page, or other pages, too, but I didn't look.) They take all major credit cards.By the way - exchange rate as of last week in December was actually $1.59 per pound. With credit cards it goes on at that day's exchange rate, and there is no surcharge. I had to send a bank draft in pounds sterling once for something else and the bank charged me $25 for a $22 bank draft. YIKES. Best to do it in credit cards if possible. PamSubj: Still CrazyDate: 1/27/96 2:33:45 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineSo did everyone watch Torvill & Dean's performance on the Landover broadcast tonight? Pretty fabulous, don't you think?I have to say STILL CRAZY was even better than I remembered. The emotion, the flow, the moves, the spins, the holds, the looks. A really gorgeous routine. I think the mood and choreography illustrate that they've been skating together a long time and they are still crazy about skating and crazy about each other. The routine feels sweet and melancholy at the same time. I love the outside airplane spin, Chris's sommersault and coming up on pointe and Jayne holding him, the move where Jayne jumps backwards into Chris's waiting arms. Ah heck, I love the whole thing.<G> 0002000007B800002C68 7B2,'Cuse me, gotta go rewind my tape....Margo Von T.Subj: Re:where to findDate: 1/27/96 8:47:01 PMFrom: Casri Posted on: America OnlineYou might want to try Four Shire Books, 17 High St, Moreton in Marsh, GL OAF, Great Britain.They are a book search service and found the Fire On Ice book for me; can't comment on it yet as Iordered it. I've also heard of another Torvill and Dean bio put out by the Oxford Illustrated Press in 1994but have been unable to find it. If you can get the Partners juvenile book listed above there is a bibliography with more information. Thanks everybody, this has been a valuable resource and something I have been waiting for.. gotta go watch the the pro championshipsp.s if you have any more information about tapes, books etc could you please email me @ casri...I'm her sister and only get a chance to go online when i visit and she doesn't check out this page otherwise.many thanks!Subj: Re:Still CrazyDate: 1/28/96 1:58:25 AMFrom: DeliNellie Posted on: America OnlineI was thrilled to see "Still Crazy". I thought it was tremendous. Their emotion was so beautiful to watch. I think they hit pay dirt with this. I must say, however much it pains me, I was disappointed with "Cecila". It looked so much better at the Team Champs. I was sorry to see Chris stumble a bit. But everyone has to trip up once in awhile. And they won anyway! Now, I can't wait to see their part of Challenge of Champions. I'm also eager to hear them as Commentators for the Grand Prix finals - that should be great fun!Gabriella - Still Excited about Still CrazySubj: Re:Still CrazyDate: 1/28/96 4:17:26 PMFrom: MamariaP Posted on: America OnlineEnjoyed seeing T&D's new Still Crazy routine. I agree with the comment about their performance of Cecelia being better at the Team Championships. You can clearly see Dean struggling to keep up with Torvill. It's rare to see them have an off day. 00020000083F0000341A 839,Does anyone know when we'll see them debut any other routines?JoeAnnKSubj: Re:Still CrazyDate: 1/29/96 12:46:25 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi JoeAnn,Don't know of any exhibitions or competitions T&D will be doing in the near future that will feature new routines. We should still see BRIDGE again on ABC when they air the ice dance portion of the Challenge of Champions from London. I do hope we don't have to wait until ''96 Landover for a new routine or 1997 when the Yo-Yo Ma/Bach Cello Suites that T&D are doing are filmed. BTW, Chris Dean is also supposed to be choreographing a dance for the spring season of the England National Ballet. What I wouldn't give to see his choreography on dancers on "dry land." And I also heard he choreographed the competition routines for the Lithuanian ice dance couple that Betty Callaway is coaching. They came in sixth in the recent European championships. I'm hoping their routines are shown when ESPN airs the Europeans or during Worlds. I love seeing what Chris choreographs for other ice dancers.Margo Von T.Subj: Re:Still CrazyDate: 1/29/96 1:55:49 AMFrom: MargeR1 Posted on: America OnlineDoes anyone know of any Canadian bookstores that would be a good source for the Torvill and Dean "Facing the Music" book? I bought a copy while in England and am so glad that I did. A friend of mine is looking to buy one mailorder from Canada. I know I did have the address of a Canadian bookstore where I ordered "Ice Time" and many online folks ordered Kurt Browning biographies from there, but I can't find it at the moment. Any help here would be greatly appreciated.MargeSubj: Re:Still CrazyDate: 1/30/96 11:32:51 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineThanks for the info, Marge. I've been reading the comments on Landover up in the General folder-- the views have been interesting to say the least. I was very disappointed to see that U&Z and K&P did not debut new routines. It would have made the dance portion a tighter competion and sweetened T&D's (inevitable?)win. 00020000077700003C53 771,Did anyone else laugh when the camera panned to Toller Cranston's 9.7 score for Cecelia? I think even one of the other judges pointed an accusing finger at him. Funny!JoeAnnKSubj: Re:Still CrazyDate: 1/31/96 4:02:11 PMFrom: TDHanger Posted on: America OnlineI liked the comment - I think Sandra B. said it - about Cranston's score of T&D's "Cecilia" - Well, he always manages to get on camera at least once.Subj: Chris Dean ChoreographyDate: 2/1/96 11:49:32 PMFrom: Java Ice Posted on: America OnlineMargoVonT -- Since you follow Chris Dean's choreography, have you seen the Irish program he choreographed for Wynn and Witherby? They performed in a competition this fall and I'm trying to find out the name of the music. Do you know? BarbSubj: Re:Chris Dean ChoreographyDate: 2/2/96 8:02:13 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi Barb,I have seen the number from the recent World Team Championships. I don't know the name of the song and W&W did not do that number when I saw the tour in the U.S., so it's not listed in the program (they did Bie Mir Bist du Schoen). I'll ask around and see if I can find out.Did you catch the "cajun" number Chris choreographed for McDonald and Smith that was on the World Team rebroadcast recently. It was terrific. Margo Von T.Subj: Re:Chris Dean ChoreographyDate: 2/5/96 11:55:57 PMFrom: Java Ice Posted on: America OnlineMargo, Thanks for helping find the W&W music. I think I may have found it on the Best of the Chieftans C.D.--even if it's not the same one, it's close enough for what I need! The music I found is called Boil the Breakfast Early. No, I don't believe I saw the cajun number you mentioned. I'll bet it's great though, keeping in tradition with his usual work! Thanks again!Subj: Re:Still CrazyDate: 2/6/96 4:41:33 PMFrom: MargoVonT 0002000007D1000043C4 7CB,Posted on: America OnlineDear Marge,I don't know if you've already gotten any info on where to order the T&D book in Canada or not, but I just got this number off the skating newsgroup for ordering the T&D video, and by the title of the company, it would be worth a try to call them about the book.Sportsbook Plus at 1-800-667-1251 in Vancouver. They also have an email address of sportsbk@niserve.com Hope this helps!Margo Von T.Subj: Re:Chris Dean ChoreographyDate: 2/6/96 4:45:34 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineDear Barb,Glad you found the music. I do know that T&D used a Cheiftans song for an Irish number they did in their "Best of T&D" tour which was only seen in England.VCR alert -- the ice dancing portion of the Challenge of Champions is scheduled for March 9 on ABC, most likely on Wide World of Sports. T&D did BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER there and won the competition. It's always fun to see a new version of a routine as sometimes things get changed a bit and a different camera angle is always nice to have. And I did read the British fans were quite vocal in their appreciation of Chris & Jayne before they even skated a step!The exhibition portion of the Challenge is scheduled for May and T&D did CECELIA.Margo Von T.Subj: Please recommendDate: 2/8/96 6:51:00 PMFrom: Casri Posted on: America OnlineWhich would you recommend to be the better - Torvill & Dean:The Full Story, or Face The Music, autobiography? Already read the Hennessey book. Is Face The Music really an autobiography book? Does either one contain any real surprises or any new dirt? Also.. Is there a Torvil & Dean fanclub that I can write too or become a member? Is there a way to get a video tape of the 1984 Ottowa World Championship Bolero performance? What does NTSC format mean - does it have to be reformatted? If you know the answer to any of these question, please e-mail me Casri@aol.com ThankyouSubj: Re:Please recommend0002000007C800004B8F 7C2,Date: 2/8/96 8:43:18 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineWhich would you recommend to be the better - Torvill & Dean:The Full Story, or Face The Music, autobiography? Definitely would suggest Face the Music, the Autobiography.Already read the Hennessey book. Is Face The Music really an autobiography book?Yes, it really is autobiographical! Does either one contain any real surprises or any new dirt? The autobiography is the words of Jayne and Chris - and they talk about many many things. - Some of it is hilarious, much of it has their dry British humor. They come across as very self-disclosing. Problems with tours, their naievete (pardon the spelling) when they started professional life, Chris's near death (twice!) - but it's a very upbeat.Torvill & Dean, the full story, is still someone writing about them and the focus seems to be more on competitions, etc.Also.. Is there a Torvil & Dean fanclub that I can write too or become a member? There's not an official one that Jayne and Chris have sanctioned.Is there a way to get a video tape of the 1984 Ottowa World Championship Bolero performance? That I haven't heard of. What does NTSC format mean - does it have to be reformatted? NTSC is the format that is used in the US and Canada. It does not have to be reformatted. PAL is the format for England and Europe (and India, by the way, and who knows how many other countries)If you know the answer to any of these question, please e-mail me Casri@aol.com ThankyouCasri, I have responded to the Bulletin Board because your questions are pertinent and others might be interested in the answers... PamSubj: Re:Please recommendDate: 2/9/96 12:54:06 PMFrom: Sk8Cols Posted on: America OnlineThe Face the Music autobiography is great, and I highly recommend it. Not a gossipy tell-all for the most part. Achieves more, and is on a higher level than that.Subj: T & D VideoDate: 2/10/96 8:11:17 AM0002000007D100005351 7CB,From: BevAFresh3 Posted on: America OnlineFusion Video 17311 Fusion Way Country Club Hills, IL 60478 offers "Torvill & Dean: Face The Music....The Tour for $19.98. The order nymber is #4023 It's 91 minutes long. The order number 1-800-959-0061 and the fax number is 708-799-8375. I received their catalogue on thursday and placed an order right away...!!!!! I was so happy to find something available in the states !!!!Subj: Re:T & D VideoDate: 2/10/96 12:30:05 PMFrom: MHMcLeod Posted on: America OnlineHow much of the T&D Face the Music video is actually T&D? Has anyone seen it? Who else is featured?Subj: T & D VideoDate: 2/10/96 2:27:45 PMFrom: BevAFresh3 Posted on: America OnlineThey are the only skaters featured....was shot at Wembley,London in June 1995...I'll tell you more when my copy arrives.Subj: 1994Date: 2/10/96 3:00:54 PMFrom: Trip Ax Posted on: America OnlineI know that the 1994 Winter Olympics were held almost two years ago,but I still feel that Torvill and Dean were robbed of gold in Lillehammer.Their free dance was amazing and definetly deserved 6.0.'s all across the board!Gritschuk and Platov didn't even compare to Jayne and Chris! LesleySubj: Re:T & D VideoDate: 2/10/96 8:58:20 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineThe T&D Video we are discussing is of a performance of their "Face the Music, the Farewell Tour." They are "solo" in seven numbers, but there are other numbers which involve the company members, both as solo and group numbers... The tape is beautiful, and I particularly love the Carmina Burana (8 numbers in all from Carmina Burana) even if Jayne and Chris are featured in only 1 of the 8 numbers, plus the 2 full company numbers. The monks seem to literally float on the ice. The lighting is unbelieveable. Hey, guys, this is the FAREWELL TOUR tape. I'm really glad I have it. PamSubj: HeightDate: 2/11/96 11:26:05 PM00020000085500005B1C 84F,From: Skay8 Posted on: America OnlineDoes anyone know how tall Jayne Torvill is? I believe Chris Dean is about 6 feet (but I could be wrong about that, though he looks pretty tall). Subj: Re:HeightDate: 2/12/96 3:53:47 PMFrom: MamariaP Posted on: America OnlineI don't think Chris is 6'. I think I read an article (Life magazine) that reported he was about 5'10" or so. Jayne is 5'3". Don't quote me on this. I read the article a while back. All skaters tend to look taller on the ice than they really are.Does anyone know when Jayne and Chris will be commentating on NBC? Which competion?JoeAnnKSubj: Re:HeightDate: 2/12/96 4:14:04 PMFrom: KJ Dancer Posted on: America OnlineJoeAnnK- I read in Blades (I think) that Chris was 6'. I wonder who's right. I have no idea. KJ DancerSubj: Re:HeightDate: 2/12/96 7:34:00 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineAccording to biographies, (specifically the early Hennessey bio) Chris is 5"10 and Jayne is 5 feet 1/2 inches tall. Margo Von T.Subj: Re:T & D VideoDate: 2/12/96 7:43:37 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineI will ditto everything Pam says about the video. It is filmed beautifully. It opens with some B&W backstage and rehearsal footage and closes with the same. "Carmina Burana" is gorgeous -- you do get the impression -- just as you did in person -- that the monks are floating! The tape also features the group numbers "Symphonetia" and "Let's Face the Music" which is a jazzy version of the song and the men in the group do some wonderful moves around, under and over a white grand piano in center ice! Other don't miss performances on the tape are Scott Williams doing a HOT solo to "Kiss" (sung by Tom Jones) and McDonald & Smith doing a sultry dance number. Catarina Lindgren is also featured and she's like a ballerina in skates. T&D numbers include "Bolero", "Barnum/Paso/Mack & Mabel" medley, "History of Love" (rhumba), "Encounter", "In Trutina" (in Carmina Burana segment), "HatTrick" and they close with "Let's Face the Music and Dance". 0002000008330000636B 82D,I'm sorry to say the "Strictly Skating" and Beatles segments are not on the tape. I'm just hoping the Beatles stuff will show up somewhere else sometime -- I simply MUST see Paperback Writer someday!<G>Glad to hear it's finally surfacing in the states! Margo Von T.Subj: CommentatingDate: 2/12/96 7:46:44 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi JoeAnn,Torvill & Dean are commentating for Fox Television later this month for the finals in Paris of the skating "Grand Prix" (or whatever this has finally been titled<G>). From what I have head, it will air on February 25 on Fox, I think in prime time in the evening. Check your local TV Guide.Margo Von T.Subj: Re:T & D VideoDate: 2/12/96 11:09:24 PMFrom: PIreneP Posted on: America Online<<I'm sorry to say the "Strictly Skating" and Beatles segments are not on the tape. I'm just hoping the Beatles stuff will show up somewhere else sometime -- I simply MUST see Paperback Writer someday!<G>>>I have heard that it has to do with who owns the right to Beatles songs. Subj: Re:T & D VideoDate: 2/13/96 12:57:29 AMFrom: SoulzMate Posted on: America OnlineHi all...>>>I have heard that it has to do with who owns the right to Beatles songs.<<<Well, I'm not sure if that is the reason why, but I do know who owns the rights to most of the Beatles tunes...Michael Jackson. :-PKimberSubj: Re:T & D VideoDate: 2/13/96 8:26:57 PMFrom: JJspook Posted on: America Onlinethis doesn't really belong here-well sota Michael Jackson had to sell a lot of the rights for some reason- or so i have heard so who knows who owns them nowSubj: World's Contest!!!Date: 2/14/96 12:52:31 AMFrom: SoulzMate Posted on: America OnlineHi all...Below, you will find a folder for the World's Contest. In a moment of sheer tiredness, I named it the "World's Folder Contest" instead of the "World's Contest Folder." :-/The rules/prizes for the contest are in the first post. Good luck everyone. I hope I allowed enough time for everyone to enter this time!!!0002000007C600006B98 7C0,Kimber P.S. I'll be posting this notice in all the folders because I want to make sure everyone reads it. I apologize in advance for the multiple posts. Subj: Re:HeightDate: 2/14/96 1:02:23 AMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineHi Margo,I would have judged Jayne to be at least 5 feet 3 inches. She doesn't look 5'1/2".February 25! That's not too far away. I'll have to prime my VCR. <g>JoeAnnKSubj: Re:HeightDate: 2/14/96 1:41:23 AMFrom: Dance Edge Posted on: America OnlineMargo Von T is correct about the height of Torvill and DeanSubj: Re:HeightDate: 2/17/96 4:18:13 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineI'm sure she is. I'm constantly amazed at how much taller people look on tv. Especially the women.JoeAnnKSubj: CommentatingDate: 2/20/96 4:52:46 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineUpdate on T&D commentating for Fox -- In TV Guide the skating international finals are listed on Fox on Friday, Feb. 23 at 8 p.m., Sat. Feb. 24 at 8 p.m. and Sunday Feb. 25 at 8 p.m. They do not list what is being done when nor do they list any other commentators besides Dorothy Hamill on Sunday. So though T&D are scheduled to commentate for this event I don't know when or for what disciplines.If anyone has any other information, could you please post! Thanks,Margo Von T.Subj: Re:CommentatingDate: 2/21/96 4:20:56 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineOops....just wanted to correct when the International Skating finals will be aired. They are NOT on Friday night. They will be on Saturday at 8 p.m. and Sunday at 4 p.m. only -- sorry about that, my local TV guide messed me up the way they had things listed!Margo Von T.Subj: Re:CommentatingDate: 2/23/96 12:13:36 AMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineSpeaking of commentating, I would love to hear what T&D have to say about G&P's style. It seems to have the judges entranced these days.00020000085F00007358 859,JoeAnnKSubj: Re:CommentatingDate: 2/23/96 12:58:25 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi JoeAnn,Oh me too, I'm dying to hear the comments, though I'm sure T&D will be gracious and understated as they usually are. Maybe we'll have to read between the lines as to what they do NOT say<VBG>.I am also anxious to hear their comments about Bourne & Kraatz. I really like this couple, and think they have great potential, they are very smooth and musical and athletic -- though I have to agree with the comments the other commentators have made (i.e., Barb Underhill during the Canadian Nationals) that they need better and more difficult choreography. Boy, would I like to see what kind of routines Chris Dean would design for them!Margo Von T.Subj: Re:CommentatingDate: 2/24/96 9:09:02 AMFrom: Reniw Posted on: America OnlineMargo--I agree 100 percent. A routine choreographed by Chris Dean for Bourne & Kraatz...what a dream!--ReniSubj: T&D commentatorsDate: 2/25/96 9:01:35 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineWell, so they need a little more practice <g>. Still, it was nice to have some informed commentary on dance for once. Even if they did only show the top 3 couples. Was it me, did anyone else have trouble hearing Chris and Jayne's comments above the music? I had to smile at the opinions offered for G&P's routines. Chris nailed them on a prolonged separation in their (short?) program. I guess the Olympics weren't that long ago...<g> All things considered, they were very generous in their comments.JoeAnnKSubj: Re:T&D commentatorsDate: 2/25/96 9:39:09 PMFrom: Skatfan Posted on: America OnlineAs a non-skater, I really appreciated knowledgable commentary on ice dancing, which is much more difficult for the uninitiated to appreciate technically. The comments on "dancing through" vs "dancing with" helped me a lot. I was also amused about the comments on illegal moves, but I have to agree that I really like the #2 couple (Russian) so much more than G and P, especially in the original dance.Subj: Re:T&D commentators0002000007C100007BB1 7BB,Date: 2/26/96 12:32:50 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi everyone,Ditto on everything everyone has said so far. I have to admit I was chuckling at the "illegal moves" comments on G&P and really laughed when Chris and Jayne said, in unision as G&P got ready for another fast part of their free "here they go again." LOL! I thought they were very even-handed, but they did say they thought they skated too much side by side and were not "entwined" enough and should be doing more difficult choreography.I also enjoyed their comments on K&O and agree their paso was excellent. They did present pretty pictures as Chris said and has a great presentation attitude. I don't personally like their choreography for their free, but they do skate it well. I'd vote for them over G&P in a minute. I think they could be real up-and-comers in ice dance and I like that they have a light style, not all that drama you often see in the Russian couples, IMHO.I liked the B&K comments too -- they DO need better and more difficult choreography. I also liked that Chris said he enjoyed watching them skate, that they really seemed to like the ice and the audience enjoyed them. I had to crack up at him calling their signature move "the hydroplaining thing" -- hmm, wonder if Chris put on a pair of skates so they could show him how they do that<G> So, do you think B&K chatted Chris up about choreographing for them (yeah, I know, in my dreams<G>0I really did learn a lot about what to look for in ice dancing with their learned commentary. Oh sure, they stumbled a few times and needed to vary their inflections but hey, they knew what they were talking about. And Fox needs to get a sound man who knows how to do a good mix and lower the music and up the microphones. I had to listen very carefully to hear all that T&D said.It was fun -- if I can't watch T&D skate, I'm happy to hear them teach me about it!Margo Von T.Subj: Next appearance?0002000007F40000836C 7EE,Date: 2/27/96 3:46:41 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineDoes anyone know when we'll be seeing T&D again this season? Are they slated for any competions or commentating gigs? More importantly, when will we get another new routine from them? JoeAnnKSubj: Re:Next appearance?Date: 2/27/96 9:16:53 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi JoeAnn,T&D are going to appear on a British "Chat" show, the Andrew Neil show on Thursday afternoon (morning in the states) and the press release for that appearance says they will be performing again in the spring and have a television special in the pipeline. I'm not sure what that means, but hopefully they will make that clearer in their interview...I have some British friends who watching the show, so I'll report anything news here.Chris Dean is also choreographing a ballet for the English National Ballet that premieres in May, so he's busy with that too.And thanks, JoeAnn, for your comments on T&D's commentary in the Debates folder. I thought they were great and very, very fair. They had good comments about all the skaters -- I only hope the skaters and their coaches get a tape of the broadcast with the T&D commentary and pay attention -- especially Bourne & Kraatz. Such talent, they need some new guidance!Margo Von T.Subj: Re:Next appearance?Date: 2/27/96 11:21:24 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineHi, Margo and you're welcome <g>. Thanks for the info. I wonder if the upcoming television special you mentioned is refering to the Bach suite they are working on with YoYo Ma or something else? Any word if they'll be competing again this spring? (Are there any competions left this season?) It would be terrific if they did the commentating for Worlds don'tchathink? JoeAnnKSubj: Andrew Neil Show on BBCDate: 2/29/96 6:47:17 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineIf you are interested in the text of the Andrew Neil show today on BBC, please contact me privately, 0002000007C900008B5A 7C3,PamGotcherSubj: Thanks for this folder!Date: 3/2/96 7:07:42 PMFrom: LindaS1060 Posted on: America OnlineI was so glad to see this folder appear; I've loved T&D for years, and it is hard to keep up with all the skating that's televised (and they *never* tell you who's on--unless it's Nancy Kerrigan!).I thought "Still Crazy" was just lovely, and I can't wait to see "Bridge" when it's *finally* on.Really, I just wanted to say thanks for the folder--LindaSubj: WebPageDate: 3/2/96 7:45:59 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineMy T&D Web page is up, if you are interested - http://users.aol.com/tanddfanp/index.htmAny comments, and particularly if you get any information that will help, such as info about book releases in the US or their schedules or anything, I'd really appreciate it.Thanks,PamSubj: champions' finalDate: 3/3/96 8:00:30 AMFrom: ElsieBC16 Posted on: America OnlineT & D are the best ice dancers, but they shouldn't be commentators. Their remarks when commentating in the Champions' Series Final were very awkward. It was also kind of obvious that they did not like Gritschuk and Platov. Dean was especially critical. While it's good to point out mistakes for the skating illiterates out there, he should have also been very encouraging. It seemed like they had to force their compliments, while the criticisms flowed out. They should take tips from Scott Hamilton.GabbieSubj: Re:champions' finalDate: 3/3/96 11:23:10 PMFrom: ADLD Posted on: America OnlineEveryone has to learn. Maybe since it was their first time out with FOX they were a bit nervous. I've heard rave reviews for their commentating.Ang.Subj: Re:champions' finalDate: 3/3/96 11:50:35 PMFrom: Dance Edge Posted on: America OnlineElsie, they do not need to take tips from Scott. However you are entitled to how you reacted to it.Subj: Re:WebPageDate: 3/3/96 11:55:14 PMFrom: Dance Edge 0002000008470000931D 841,Posted on: America OnlinePam, how do T&D feel about this?Subj: Re:WebPageDate: 3/4/96 2:09:53 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi everyone,Pam's T&D Web Page is just great -- lots of info., photos, stats, you'll love it. Pop in and visit!As for T&D commentating, I didn't think they were critical, so much as they were factual. They pointed out illegalities, they pointed out things that were good as well as not so good, they also pointed out things that those of us who don't skate wouldn't notice. And Chris is a very experienced choreographer and I thought he was right on in his comments on choreography difficulty, style, skating through instead of with the music, and phrasing. IMHO, I think people were looking for them to be "nasty" about G&P. I think they were very even-handed and postive but pointed out things many of us have been thinking for a long time -- all speed no substance -- but they said it very nicely. Also, the British tend to be much more low-key -- or as one friend put it more "droll" than Americans, hence the laid-back style. I do think they need to punch it up a bit and get more expression in their voice, but that just takes a bit of experience -- as well as a TV network that has a sound person that knows to make the commentators mics louder than the dance music!<G>Margo Von T.Subj: Re:WebPageDate: 3/4/96 8:05:09 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineFrom: Dance Edge Pam, how do T&D feel about this?Dance Edge, I'm still awaiting a response from them. Thanks for asking, though.PamSubj: Re:WebPageDate: 3/4/96 11:45:02 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlinePam,I checked out the T&D web page today-- well done! It's about time our favorite ice dancers get a home page! I've been hoping some one would get some info on them onto the net and I'm glad you're the first. I'll be looking forward to any updates you may be adding in the future. And, <g>, I'd like to put in the first request for more biographical info (if it's allright with them, of course) on the dynamic duo.00020000088C00009B5E 886,JoeAnnKSubj: Re: VideoDate: 3/5/96 7:35:24 PMFrom: SGskate Posted on: America OnlineHi all T&D fans,In case any of you do not know their "Let's Face the Music" video is available. I ordered it today.If anyone wants more info email me. SherriSubj: Re: Challenge BroadcastDate: 3/6/96 12:56:44 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi everyone,Just wanted to tell you that the ice dancing and T&D's BRIDGE will NOT be on ABC this Saturday. Only the men's portion of the Challenge will air. Word has it that the ice dancing portion will be aired on April 6 -- maybe -- and the exhibitions (CECELIA) in May.Gee, I sure am saving money on videotapes with no new T&D routines lately (sniffle, sob)....MargeSubj: Re:WebPageDate: 3/6/96 3:12:05 AMFrom: Dance Edge Posted on: America OnlinePam , when you get a response, I hope you will let us know.Subj: Re:T & D videoDate: 3/6/96 1:03:01 PMFrom: Two6skate Posted on: America OnlineTorvill & Dean will be marketing a video this spring - Torvill & Dean - Facing the Music. More details in the next few days.Subj: Re:T & D videoDate: 3/6/96 6:05:35 PMFrom: Latlangue Posted on: America OnlineAs far as I know, this video is already available.Subj: Re:T & D videoDate: 3/6/96 6:44:21 PMFrom: BevAFresh3 Posted on: America OnlineYes, I got mine today and like it very much. If anyone has any questions....just post a message or send an e-mail. It's available in the states for $19.98 BevSubj: Re:WebPageDate: 3/6/96 8:48:15 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineDance Edge,I still do not know whether Jayne & Chris have seen it, but I have been in touch with their office twice in as many days and it's ok to have, just not "official" at this time - the best news is that I have been promised current scheduling info, and as soon as I get anything it will go on the page. (I was busy today making little changes that were asked for.) So, I'm very excited and quite happy to have done it. The page in no way negates these boards - it is just a supplement to it. I hope you all enjoy it. PamSubj: Re: Video0002000007AA0000A3E4 7A4,Date: 3/6/96 10:27:09 PMFrom: Mizzelle Posted on: America OnlineThe Face the Music tour video is indeed available already. I bought my copy in a local video store. Needless to say, I was very surprised. A pity that ballroom dancing spoof wasn't able to be included... I could just imagine the audience giving knowing giggles about the announcer "Any couples doing showy and innovative moves will be penalized" <or whatever it was.> Although I will never see Carmina Burana quite the same again after that program.Julia aka MizzelleSubj: Re: VideoDate: 3/6/96 10:40:07 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineYes, the "Face The Music" tour video became availabe in the U.S. last week. Word has it that Chris & Jayne willl be in the states next week promoting the video. Now...when with the autobiography be released here? Anyone have any clues?Margo Von T.Subj: Re: VideoDate: 3/7/96 10:21:49 AMFrom: Two6skate Posted on: America OnlineI will be talking to Chris and Jayne next week and will ask about the book.Subj: They are my favoriteDate: 3/8/96 7:06:19 PMFrom: Viktorfan Posted on: America OnlineI went to see their show in LA in 1994, and they were breathtaking. I finally got to see their famous " BOLERO" number - in person! Wow! It was something else! I could understand why the judges gave them all 6's. I have never seen anything like that before, and I liked their new number STILL CRAZY AFTER ALL THESE YEARS when I saw it some time ago. I hope they will continue to skate for long time to come! Oh we are so lucky Chris gave up his police job! Soojee.Subj: Re: VideoDate: 3/10/96 11:32:35 PMFrom: Dance Edge Posted on: America OnlineIf anyone sees or hears they will be on TV while in New York March 11,12 and 13th , hope they will post it.Subj: Re:T & D newsDate: 3/12/96 5:24:46 PM0002000007C20000AB88 7BC,From: Two6skate Posted on: America OnlineSpoke with Chris and Jayne today. They are doing promos for their Face the Music video, which is currently available at video and book stores at approx $20. It's a 90 minute tape with selected numbers from their 2 1/2 hour tour. It was produced by Jayne's husband and was taped at Wembly Arena. Chris will be working with the English Ballet Theatre doing their choreography for a production this fall. And they plan a 4/5 week tour in England at Christmas time. They don't want to compete any more, but you never know. They don't know when their book will be available in the U.S. They contracted the book with the English division of Simon & Schuster and said it is out of their hands and is up to the publisher.Subj: Re:T & D newsDate: 3/13/96 1:28:26 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineThanks for the info Two6skate, it's very much appreciated.A correction, Chris's ballet is to debut in June with the ENB -- it is on their "B Tour" schedule and will also appear in London June 17-18. Chris also talked about this on their interview this morning on Good Day New York and said he would begin rehearsals in two weeks and was both nervous and excited about doing it. He said Jayne would be helping him as always, telling him what moves work and don't work.Too bad about the competing, but understandable. I do hope they will at least do some exhibition type shows in the U.S. If you get any more word on their tour at Christmas in England, please let me know. I have a trip planned to London at the end of the year and would certainly readjust dates to coincide with that show.Thanks again!Margo Von T.Subj: Re:T & D newsDate: 3/16/96 4:19:21 PMFrom: Dance Edge Posted on: America OnlineMargo, what is the CORRECT web address for T&D? The one I originally had which worked on AOL is NOT working now. Will appreciate any info you can give on this. Thanks!!Subj: Re:T & D news00020000081C0000B344 816,Date: 3/16/96 8:36:41 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineDance Edge,I hope you'll forgive me for answering your question to Marge.The T&D page is now working again. AOL changed browsers and has been working on the server (as they tell me), so I would guess that the page has been banged around somewhat. For a while AOL seemed to drop the index.htm which brings up the first page, but now I check daily to see that it's there. I also couldn't get a couple of the small graphics, but when I checked this afternoon the page was there and intact. The address is:http://users.aol.com/tanddfanp/index.htmthe mirrored address is:http://members.aol.com/tanddfanp/index.htmboth addresses should work now.PamSubj: Re:T & D newsDate: 3/16/96 10:53:44 PMFrom: Dance Edge Posted on: America OnlinePam, Thanks much for info. I will try it later.Subj: Re:T & D newsDate: 3/19/96 12:30:16 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi all,Just found out that Chris Dean choreographed a new OD (paso doble) for Roca and Sur. He whipped it together in a week in Colorado Springs and then was off to England to start work with the English National Ballet. Is this a busy guy or what!<G> Roca and Sur then said they refined Dean's moves and with this new OD and their free which they are now more comfortable with, they are ready for Worlds.So, keep you eyes open for this new Chris Dean OD -- he's a master at these and we know what he did in '84 with the paso doble!<G>I also read that Bourne & Kraatz have a brand new OD and free. Whew, brave move! No, unfortunately it's not by Chris Dean, but I'll just bet they paid attention to everything T&D said at the Grand Prix finals in Paris -- what do you think?And who said the ice dance competition at Worlds would have no surprises!<G>Margo Von T.Subj: Re:T & D newsDate: 3/19/96 12:42:24 AMFrom: SoulzMate Posted on: America OnlineDear Margo,Thanks for the info about C.D. choreographing for R&S. Now this is something to look forward to...0002000008FD0000BB5A 8F7,Just one thing:>>>I also read that Bourne & Kraatz have a brand new OD and free.<<<I've read that while B&K did scrap their OD, the free dance was merely souped up to add more difficulty. Either way, I give them all the credit in the world for making all of these changes so close to Worlds.KimberSubj: 94 OLYMPICSDate: 3/20/96 12:01:16 AMFrom: Whtfang123 Posted on: America OnlineBELIEVE IT OR NOT I AM STILL UPSET AT THEIR THIRD PLACE FINISH. THE PAIR THAT WON, I CANT EVEN REMEMBER THEIR NAME, WERE TERRIBLE. TORVILL AND DEAN SHOULD HAVE LEFT THE ARENA AND NOT ACCEPTED THE MEDALS.Subj: Chris Dean's ODsDate: 3/23/96 12:18:59 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHooray for ESPN!They show ALL the ODs from 14th place up! That meant that we got to see Chris Dean's new paso for Roca & Sur and for the Lithuanians(I simply can't remember their names<G>), one right after the other, and both very different.One of Chris's great qualities as a choreographer is the ability to bring out the strengths of whatever dance team or skater he's working with. I think he did this beautifully with Roca and Sur -- it was a great paso, very difficult. I thought they performed it very well having only learned it a week ago! IMHO, Gorsha is the better dancer and Renee is stiff and not very graceful -- these are perfect qualities for the paso. Renee's straight and stiff movements were used to full advantage and I think it's the best I've ever seen her look. R&S had great edges and close footwork. And they were marked WAY too low. I really hate that in dance you can't move up with a good performance, you are where you're placed and marked with those kind of marks. What a rip-off. Gorsha looked rather disgusted with the marks, I must say. It must feel so frustrating that no matter how good you skate, it's just tough, you'll get those 14th place marks. They did not deserve 4.8's. The Lithuanians were cute, very different style, lots of arms and speedy moves. I didn't like this OD as much, it didn't have that attitude you usually get from the paso doble. I have to watch the choreography a few more times to comment on it specifically, I was kind of distracted by watching the skaters style, as I'd never seen this couple before.0002000007B00000C451 7AA,Well, there' s my Dean OD review --- comments from all of you please! Looking forward to seeing the Lithuanians free tomorrow night on ABC -- they're in 8th place so I would assume they'll be shown.Margo Von T.Subj: Re:Chris Dean's ODsDate: 3/23/96 4:00:51 PMFrom: BaleofAKS Posted on: America Online>>R&S had great edges and close footwork. And they were marked WAY too low. I really hate that in dance you can't move up with a good performance, you are where you're placed and marked with those kind of marks. What a rip-off. Gorsha looked rather disgusted with the marks, I must say. It must feel so frustrating that no matter how good you skate, it's just tough, you'll get those 14th place marks. They did not deserve 4.8's. <<<I agree, 100 percent. Why is it that in the world of ice dancing, changes in placement are accomplished with the speed of a glacier?LB Subj: Re:Chris Dean's ODsDate: 3/23/96 7:42:32 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineMight make a tiny correction here. Chris didn't actually choreograph Drobiazko and Vanagas' OD and free - he only provided assistance - per their PA, Debbie Turner. That's probably why the OD didn't have what I have come to think of as his "stamp". But I do think Roca and Sur's number was gorgeous, and read "Dean, Dean, Dean" all over <G>PamSubj: Button on T&DDate: 3/24/96 12:31:48 AMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineSo how many references to T&d did Dick make?<g> I thought R&S's OD looked familiar. Too bad the judges are only rewarding the traditional Russian style...JoeAnnKSubj: What a relief...Date: 3/24/96 12:02:24 PMFrom: CRRinTX Posted on: America OnlineI nearly fell out of my seat after I read your (and the previous 2) subject heading.Have a little mercy on we (well, maybe it was just me) readers who are not "up"on all the skating lingo or abbreviations. I thought CD had a drug overdose!!!!00020000080A0000CBFB 804,I was thinking first we lost Sergei, now Christopher....whew!Subj: Re:What a relief...Date: 3/24/96 7:15:09 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineCRRinTX,Sorry about that. For those of you who don't know (and I thought everyone did, or I would have been clearer...) Ice dancing for competition consists of 3 parts.First is the compulsory dances which are determined in advance and everyone dances the same dances, same steps - called the compusories. These dances change from year to year. We rarely see these on TV. Maybe occasionally at an Olympics.Second, what is now the Original Dance (OD) was once the Original Set Pattern (OSP) dance, which is done to a particular rythym (excuse my spelling, that doesn't look right :^) such as a tango or a paso doble - and here the dancers choose their own steps. Everyone dances to the same rythym, but their own steps and choice of music (so in one way you could still consider it compulsory, since the music rythym is compulsory). In the OSP, three sequences of the steps had to be skated, which is what you will notice with T&D's Paso Doble, or their Summertime performance.Finally, is the free dance. Four minutes, skaters are free to choose their own music, own dance. That's about the only *freedom*, however, because there are tons of rules they have to abide by - which has led to much controversy over the years.Any ice dancers online who want to correct me, jump in. Jaime? PamSubj: Re:What a relief...Date: 3/24/96 11:18:07 PMFrom: Dance Edge Posted on: America OnlineI had to go back and see what you mean. GRIN I know what OD means in relation to ice dance--so never give it a thought--But--I do see what you mean!!!!!!!!Subj: Re:What a relief...Date: 3/25/96 12:55:23 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineGee, sorry to give everyone a scare! No, I'm sure Mr. Dean just takes ibuprophen (Advil), as Jayne has said in interviews, to keep the creaks out of those fabulously limber but 37 year old bones and muscles. 0002000007BB0000D3FF 7B5,Official Dance - OD, we'll be much more specific next time!Don't forget, April 6, ABC Wide World of Sports -- we'll FINALLY get to see the ice dancing portion of the Challenge of Champions -- hey, we only waited four months!<G>Margo Von T.Subj: Re: FYIDate: 3/25/96 1:07:12 PMFrom: MHardy3023 Posted on: America OnlineFYI: I was in the store today, and they had two copies of Torvill & Dean's Face the Music Tour videotapes. It was produced in London in June 1995. Sells for about $19.95 (the usual videotape price). I saw it at the Saturday Night Matinee store. Any information, email me at MHardy3023@aol.comMarciSubj: Jayne's baby??Date: 3/31/96 6:24:40 PMFrom: AsilBG Posted on: America OnlineI seem to remember some time ago that Jayne wanted to start a family. When is she ever going to find time for this considering they are busy until next year at least?? Has anyone heard anymore about this?Subj: '84 OlympicsDate: 4/1/96 3:16:50 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineWhere can I find a copy of T&D's 1984 Olympic programs as they were performed at the Olympics? Last night I was re-watching <G> the "Artistry of Torvill and Dean" and noticed they didn't include an entire performance of their famous Paso Doble. I'd like to see the complete program.How many set pattern dances did they do? I vaguely remember several comments being made about a tricky hold they performed that involved Chris supporting Jayne by the neck? What dance was this? Or is my memory going?JoeAnnK Subj: Re:'84 OlympicsDate: 4/1/96 8:59:02 PMFrom: SoulzMate Posted on: America OnlineDear JoeAnnK,>>>Where can I find a copy of T&D's 1984 Olympic programs as they were performed at the Olympics?<<<I'm not sure, but I think the *best* place to look would be ABC Sports (Keyword: ABC), since they were the ones to cover the 1984 Olympics. Be sure to come back and post what you find out. :-)0002000007D90000DBB4 7D3,KimberSubj: Re:'84 OlympicsDate: 4/1/96 10:51:52 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineJoeAnnKThe 1984 Bolero and Paso can be found on the Path to Perfection tape, which may still be available at Rainbo Sports (800 number - I don't remember it right off, but it's on the T&D page) The abbreviated number you saw on Artistry is actually from the Medley that they did on their tour. Usually the Set Pattern dances ran through 3 sequences.PamSubj: Re:'84 OlympicsDate: 4/1/96 10:53:19 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America Online<< I vaguely remember several comments being made about a tricky hold they performed that involved Chris supporting Jayne by the neck? What dance was this? Or is my memory going?This I can't think of right off the bat, but maybe Marge knows. There were so many "tricky" holds.<G>PamSubj: Re:'84 OlympicsDate: 4/2/96 12:48:34 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi JoeAnn,Pam's correct, Path To Perfection shows the '84 European version of the OSP (Official Set Pattern) paso doble. It's teriffic, there was nothing at this year's World's paso dobles to compare -- well maybe a little of Roca & Sur's that Chris Dean choreographed<G> Rainbo carries it, as Pam said (call the 1-800 directory assistance and asked for the number or check out the T&D web page.) I ordered my copy 2 years ago through Suncoast Video. Go to your local video store and look through the big catalog they have under Sports and Torvill & Dean. I also rented it a a video store before I bought it, so you might check around.There are two amazing "neck holds" that Chris does in two OSPs. One is in the paso doble where Jayne is laying back, one skate on the ice, to Chris's right. Chris in a low arabesque, holding Jayne by the neck with his right hand and then he pretty much flips her around into a deep lunge position and up. I still don't know how they do it, it just looks impossible. (This is in the Artistry program.)0002000008F50000E387 8EF,But the one I think you heard about is in their '83 OSP which was a rock & roll. (Same year their free was "Barnum") At the very beginning of the pattern, Jayne falls backwards, one skate only on the ice, the other leg straight forward, and Chris catches her by the neck about 12 inches off the ice with his right hand, the other hand on his hip like "no big deal". It's very fast and Jayne looks like she doesn't have a care in the world when she falls back -- talk about trust! Hope this answers your questions.Margo Von T. Subj: Re:Jayne's baby??Date: 4/2/96 12:57:19 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHow interesting you ask this question. I just got a transcript of a TV interview T&D did at the Nations Cup in Gelsenkirchen, Germany on Nov. 24, 1995. The last question the interviewer, David Weiss (who felt very comfortable asking this since has known T&D since he was very young when they worked in Obersdorf) asked was:DW: Jayne there was spectulation before Lillehammer that you and your husband wanted to start a family (Jayne looks at him in disbelief<G>) Now that you're both happily married, do either of you have plans to start a family and when can we see a Baby-Chris and Jayne on the ice. (All three laugh, Chris looks a little embarassed, Jayne surprised<G>)Jayne: No, we don't at the moment. You know maybe in a few years' time but at the moment, we're still quite happy. We (she and Phil) have a dog, that's enough for the time being!Chris: Well, hopefully, in the not too distant future. We (he and Jill) plan a family sometimes. I think there's something that you can gain from a family and it's something that will happen eventually, I hope. Now that's quite a way to end an interview!<G>Margo Von T.Subj: Finally:Challenge ice danceDate: 4/2/96 1:04:46 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineFINALLY ABC is scheduled to air the ice dancing competition for the London Challenge of Champions which took place on December 14! Competitors included T&D, U&Z, R&K and A&S. T&D performed BRIDGE, so set your VCR for Saturday, April 6 for ABC Wide World of Sports, at 4:30-6pm (EST). There will also be horse racing and other events, so keep fast forwarding until you find the ice dancing!<G>0002000009320000EC76 92C,The exhibitions (T&D's CECELIA) are supposed to air in May.Margo Von T.Subj: Re:'84 OlympicsDate: 4/2/96 11:44:18 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi JoeAnn,I just re-read your question about the T&D '84 Olympic Bolero and realized we've been giving you a little misinformation. "Path to Perfection" has the '84 European paso doble and Bolero. The Olympics hadn't happened when this video was made. The Olympic Bolero is on "Magic Memories on Ice I" The only way to get the Olympic paso, as far as I know, if to find someone who has it, it's not on MMI or MMI. Magic Memories II has "I Won't Send Roses" T&D's '84 Olympic exhibition, a lovely number.Hope this straightens things out!Margo Von T.Subj: Re:'84 OlympicsDate: 4/3/96 12:09:58 AMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineHi Margo,Thanks for the info. I'm going to get a copy of the '84 Olympic ice dance competion at the end of the month, curtesy of a Very Kindly fellow board member (Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!<G>). I don't have a copy of Path to Perfection, so that's next on the shopping list. The selection at my local video rental stores is puny to say the least so I'll just have to wait till it arrives in my mail box.Since I had never heard of nor seen Torvill and Dean before the '84 Olympics, from what I've gathered from the previous posts, I must be thinking of the Paso Doble. My memory is going . . . Don't we get a double dose of our favorite skaters this weekend? I think there's something on Sunday as well. Thanks for the info, everyone.JoeAnnK Subj: Re:'84 OlympicsDate: 4/3/96 8:44:47 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineJoAnneKYep, it was the Paso Doble in the '84 Olympics. Path to Perfection has their '84 Europeans performances of Bolero and the Paso Doble (Capriccio Espagnol), which happened just before the Olympics. Since they performed those two dances the entire 83/84 season from British nationals, to Europeans, to Olympics, to Worlds, I tend to think of one performance as being synonomous with the other - and of course, they aren't. My mistake - I thought you were asking more to see the dances than the actual competition, specifically in Sarajevo - and I should have realized it was the specific competition since Bolero has been done so many times!<G>00020000074C0000F5A2 746,PamSubj: Re:'84 OlympicsDate: 4/3/96 11:05:29 PMFrom: MamariaP Posted on: America OnlineThanks for the info, Pam. <g> This may be a strange question, but exactly how many dances did they do at the '84 Olympics? I seem to remember seeing them on t.v. alot. How many compulseries were required back then? And what where they? I take it from Margo's post that the Paso Doble was the set-pattern OD that had to be repeated three times? They don't do that any more, do they? JoeAnnK (posing as MamariaP)Subj: Re:'84 OlympicsDate: 4/4/96 12:37:14 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi JoeAnn,In '84 there were three compulsories, if I remember correctly (Pam, DanceEdge please correct me on this one) One was the rhumba (a really fun compulsory to watch), another was a waltz. I'll have to look this one up for sure.JoeAnn, where did you see T&D on TV on Sunday? Please post if you find out.Thanks!Margo Von T.Subj: BookDate: 4/4/96 9:03:13 AMFrom: Jacquesrap Posted on: America OnlineHubba Hubba! I just read their book. Woooo wooooo.Mr. Jock-u-lar-i-tySubj: Re:'84 OlympicsDate: 4/4/96 8:07:53 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineAccording to John Hennessey, in the 1983-84 season changed rules for the compusories. It allowed for a choice between two of the four statutory groups. The four groups werea. Viennese waltz, Yankee polka, bluesb. Westminister waltz, paso doble, rumbac. Starlight waltz, kilian, tango romanticad. Rabensburger waltz, quickstep, Argentine tango."Previously one group was prescribed a year in advance, for the whole season. It was decided that during the 1983-4 season the choice, to be made on the eve of a championship,, would be between groups b and c." The Olympics featured group b. They got three 6.0s in the Westminister Waltz.00020000087D0000FCE8 877,And in answer to your other question, no, today they have changed the other "compulsory" dance from the Original Set Pattern dance (OSP) to just the Original Dance. I do not think they have to repeat the same steps (pattern) three times. They do have to dance to a specific rythym - as in this year it was the Paso Doble. Mind you, if I'm wrong on this I hope an ice dancer will jump in and correct me.PamSubj: Re:T&D On TVDate: 4/5/96 1:03:19 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi everyone,As I mentioned before T&D should be featured on the Challenge of Champions on ABC on Saturday at 4:30 p.m. (EST)JoeAnnK also mentioned they were listed in the TV Guide on Sunday. ABC is rerunning Skates of Gold III at 4 p.m (EST). However, T&D were not in the previous broadcast, due to a contract conflict. Yes, they are listed in TV Guide this time. So perhaps the contract has run out and they will be added to this broadcast, but I don't know that for sure. However, I do think ABC will air both of Gordeeva and Grinkov's routines they did as SOG III, as these were their last live performances together. Worth taping no matter what.Might as well add that ESPN is re-running the Worlds pairs and ice dancing finals on Monday night 7:30-10:30 (EST).Margo Von T.Subj: Re:T&D On TVDate: 4/6/96 2:52:05 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineHi all,Thanks for the info on the compulsories. Since they are rarely shown on t.v. I'm never quite sure what they are and what the rules for them are. I've got another question <g>: Did T&D perform Bolero before the Olympics? For some reason I thought it debuted there. If they did perform Bolero before, what was the reaction to it? What kind of scores did it earn?Margo, thanks for the clarification on Skates of Gold III. T&D are listed in t.v. guide but I guess we won't see them. There is a program on CBS "Sports Show at noon C which is going to air "Great Moments" from their figure-skating coverage. Doesn't mention any names but since CBS does the pro thing so often, I would assume there's a good chance we might see our skating darlings there. <g>00020000083D0001055F 837,JoeAnnKSubj: Re:BookDate: 4/6/96 2:54:16 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America Online?JoeAnnKSubj: Re:T&D On TVDate: 4/6/96 4:35:21 PMFrom: Dance Edge Posted on: America OnlineJoe AnnK---yes, T&D did preform Bolero before the Olympics. They debuted it at the British Dance Championships in November of 1983. They next skated it at Europeans in Jan of 1984. Each time they preformed it, Chris changed and added content to it. As an example, Chris did not put in the splits till the Olympics. Also, Jayne's original dress went through some changes to..Subj: Re:T&D On TVDate: 4/6/96 5:03:17 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineYou asked about the Bolero scores in 1984 - I don't have the World's scores, butBolero in the British NationalsTechnical - all 5.9sArtistic: 6-> 6.0 and 3->5.9EuropeansTechnical all either 5.9 or 6.0Artistic: 1->5.9, the rest 6.0OlympicsTechnical: 6->5.9, 3->6.0Artistic: all 6.0From Christopher Hilton's book, "Torvill and Dean"PamSubj: Re:BookDate: 4/6/96 5:05:17 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineJoeAnnKThink he was referring to their Autobiography"Facing the Music" published in Britian in 1995.PamSubj: Variations of PerformancesDate: 4/6/96 7:41:09 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineWell, we just finished the World Challenge of Champions, and I must say, I definitely liked Bridge much better. The first time I saw it, it didn't feel like it was as finished. And Chris asking for coffee<G>! He's my kind of man<G>.Boy, ya gotta watch all of em, each performance is different.PamSubj: So Awesome!Date: 4/6/96 10:05:33 PMFrom: Viktorfan Posted on: America OnlineThe more I watch Chris and Jane, the more I come to love their artistry and their originality. I just saw them at Nutrasweet a few minutes ago, and they were INCREDIBLE, as usual! Oh I can't say enough about them! I saw a tape called TORVILLE AND DEAN : FACE THE MUSIC. THE TOUR, and bought it. It is wonderful. It has that famous BOLERO in it. I know many of you other 00020000070700010D96 701,Torvill & Dean fans might already have them, but I saw it just few days ago. Oh I don't think there would be another ice dancing team like them in the future. Soojee.Subj: Re:T&D On TVDate: 4/7/96 2:15:45 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi JoeAnnK,Thanks for the heads-up on the CBS greatest moments special. I will definitely have the VCR set -- you never know. Besides how can T&D NOT show up when "greatest" is in the title<G>I also recommend popping a tape in for Skates of Gold on Sunday. T&D were not in the last airing and might not be in this one, but you just never know -- better safe then missing them!BTW, next week ABC will air the Challenge of Champions exhibitions. T&D do CECELIA and I would expect we'll also see Robin Cousins in his final competitive performance. Should be fun, a must see and tape!I also agree that BRIDGE today was very smooth, the lifts were great, the control awesome. I love Peggy Fleming always talking about how great Chris's choreography is and how strong he has to be to do some of the moves. Well, as he said in an interview before the '94 Olympics, he doesn't have to work out, because he lifts Jayne so much she's his weight training!<G>Margo Von T.Subj: Skates of GoldDate: 4/7/96 8:26:56 PMFrom: Viktorfan Posted on: America OnlineI missed some of Skates of Gold. Were Chris and Dean in it? If they were, what did they skate to? Can anyone fill me in on this? Thank you! Soojee.Subj: Re:Skates of GoldDate: 4/7/96 8:32:21 PMFrom: Viktorfan Posted on: America OnlineWoops! I made a mistake! I meant Chris and Jane! Sorry about that, folks!00020000077400011497 76E, Soojee.Subj: BoleroDate: 4/7/96 10:28:05 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineThanks for the info on Bolero, Pam and Dance Edge. For some reason I had in my head that Bolero debuted (silly, huh?) at the Olympics. It was certainly my first viewing of it. ( But then, I wasn't a skating fan at that time) Am I right in assuming then, since CD added and refined it up to the last moment that the version we all know now was unveiled the Games? I seem to remember alot of surprise on the part of the announcers (Dick Button??).JoeAnnK Subj: BoleroDate: 4/7/96 10:31:56 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineActually, what I meant to say in my last post was: Since Bolero had already received several perfect scores before the Games, why was everyone so surprised at the Olympic judging? Weren't they kinda expecting it?JoeAnnKSubj: Re:Variations of PerformancesDate: 4/7/96 10:35:07 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineIt's me again. I agree with you on Bridges, Pam. I wasn't crazy about it the first time either. Too many lifts. But their London performance was much smoother.JoeAnnK (who's not a tea drinker either)Subj: Re:BoleroDate: 4/8/96 7:48:29 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineJoeAnnK.I think that the reaction to the 6's all across the board was *because* there were 6's all across the board. This was the first time in skating history, I believe. That's what the surprise was. Bolero, in it's various incarnations, had been seen since the British Nationals. It was rehersed full on daily for two weeks after they got to Sarajevo, so the dance itself wasn't a surprise. If I remember correctly, in their book they said that they knew they were going to win, the question was by how much. And *that* was the surprise!<G>0002000007F400011C05 7EE,PamSubj: Re:BoleroDate: 4/8/96 10:41:27 PMFrom: JoeAnnK Posted on: America OnlineOh, I see. I've got to get that book. I keep telling myself I'll order it but I never get around to doing it...Wonder if we'll see them in competition next season. I assume they're going to do at least the Team Challenge in the fall? Any word?JoeAnnKSubj: T&D In CompetitionsDate: 4/9/96 4:01:27 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi JoeAnnK,T&D doing the pro competitions this year is a big question mark. They have been heard to say in interviews that they really don't want to compete much anymore -- but I too think they might do world team since it a "team" not an individual competition. Anyone here know where that will be held this year?I also know they have the Yo-Yo Ma filming in early '97 and it's a 30 piece, so they may be too busy choreographing and training for that appear in and do training for the fall compeitions. I sure hope they at least do Landover -- I've already ordered tickets just in case!<G>Subj: Re:Skates of GoldDate: 4/9/96 4:03:26 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi Soojee,No, Chris & Jayne were not on SOG III. They simply aired the same broadcast from this past fall. Too bad, I thought sure they'd at least but G&G's "Requiem" in. Did you catch the CBS "greatest moments" show on Sunday. They opened with T&D's CECELIA. Don't forget, the Challenge exhibitions this Saturday on WWof Sports.MargeSubj: Re:Skates of GoldDate: 4/9/96 10:32:04 AMFrom: Viktorfan Posted on: America OnlineThank you Margot! I rewatched my recorded tape, and when they all came out in the end, didn't see them, I realized they weren't there. But why? They are two of greatest champions ever. I wonder why they didn't perform at Skates of Gold? I was fortunate enough to see them in person and see them perform that famous BOLERO, and OH! I don't have words to describe it! Well thank you, Margot, for taking time to answer my post!000200000791000123F3 78B, Soojee. Subj: Re:Skates of GoldDate: 4/9/96 5:31:56 PMFrom: DellaG Posted on: America OnlineTorvill and Dean did indeed perform at Skates of Gold III. But, because of some type of contract stipulation they were not allowed to be shown on the ABC telecast (the first one or the recent rerun).Subj: Re:Skates of GoldDate: 4/11/96 12:02:24 AMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi,T&D WERE at Skates of Gold III -- they just were unable to be in the broadcast due to contract obligations where they could not appear in an exhibition program on television. T&D performed BRIDGE and were magical, as usual. I had fourth row center ice seats and it was quite a treat -- in fact everyone was wonderful it was a great show.Margo Von T.Subj: Re:Skates of GoldDate: 4/12/96 9:13:59 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHello all,Though my TV Guide says differently, ABC did announce last week on Wide World of Sports that the exhibition portion of the Challenge from London would be aired this Saturday. So you might want to pop a tape in your VCR just in case to catch T&D's CECELIA performed for a London audience and Robin Cousins' last competitive exhibition. Margo Von T.Subj: A Question to ask Date: 4/14/96 10:44:52 PMFrom: Viktorfan Posted on: America OnlineHi! I hope someone would inform me on this question. Please, anyone who can, inform me on this. I would really appreciate it! When I went to see them in LA in 94, I was told it was their good bye tour. I thought it would be last time they would skate together. Are Chris and Jane planning on skating together for more to come? I certainly hope so! They are so awesome! Can someone please clear me up on what this " good bye" tour meant? Thanks! 0002000007DD00012B7E 7D7, Feeling a bit stupid and uninformed asking this question, Soojee.Subj: Re:A Question to ask Date: 4/15/96 8:24:34 AMFrom: Two6skate Posted on: America OnlineThey said Face the Music was their last major tour because doing tours is so time consuming, costly and exhausting. But they intend to continue to skate in selected shows and plan a Christmas [3-week] tour in England.Subj: Re:A Question to ask Date: 4/15/96 6:25:30 PMFrom: PamGotcher Posted on: America OnlineAlso, Soojee, their decision to have a farewell tour did not preclude their doing guest spots in other tours. As I understand it, they are not longer going to mount their own tours.PamSubj: Thank you!Date: 4/15/96 8:41:56 PMFrom: Viktorfan Posted on: America OnlineThank you Two6Skate and Pam! I appreciated it! Soojee.Subj: Chris Dean's ENB BalletDate: 4/29/96 1:49:56 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi everyone,Well, it's been quiet in this folder since skating season has concluded. Though you might like the lastest word on Chris Dean's venture into ballet choreography.One of the British papers (sorry, I don't know which as yet) had an article a few Sunday's back that showed a photo with Chris and the two lead dancers in his ballet. The article said the ballet would be a 25 minute piece, as yet untitled, in a contemporary classical vein set to six Paul Simon songs. The songs are: Bridge Over Troubled Water, The Sounds of Silence, Slip Slidin' Away, 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover, Mother and Child Reunion and Still Crazy After All These Years. In the article, Chris says "It deals with relationships of softs I've been involved in." This goes along with previous comments that it would be semi-autobiographical.So, who wants to book a flight to England next month to see this with me?<G> Only when I win the lottery, but I can dream, can't I....<G>00020000084000013355 83A,I will report any reviews I hear or see, and I hope others do the same. If anyone is lucky enough to be heading to England in May or June, the ENB does have a Web Page listing performances and it can be jumped to from Pam's T&D Web page.Margo Von T.Subj: Re:Chris Dean's ENB BalletDate: 4/29/96 7:45:20 PMFrom: Triplecatz Posted on: America OnlineHey Margo!I'll gladly go, if I win the lottery I'll buy you ticket if you win buy mine!<g>PamSubj: Re:Chris Dean's ENB BalletDate: 5/2/96 1:21:12 PMFrom: MamariaP Posted on: America OnlineBook me a ticket too. <g> Margo, what's that quote Chris made? I don't I understand. Maybe I read it wrong.JoeAnnKSubj: T&D Web PageDate: 5/2/96 11:05:03 PMFrom: TandDFanP Posted on: America OnlineHi, Web page has had an update or so, the quote Marge mentioned is on the first page in a section I started just recently called "Did you know" - , some of the photos have been shifted around. I am expecting more photos through the month, and possibly some updated event info by the end of the month. (I've been promised) At someone's request, I've tried to put a Last Updated date at the bottom of each page, so you can see what's new. (Haven't done one on the contact page, because it hasn't been updated in quite a while.) If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to let me know, and if you ever go online and the page is missing, please let me know ASAP (sometimes AOL drops my index file, don't know why<G>!) URL ishttp://users.aol.com/tanddfanp/index.htmThanks, PamSubj: Re:T&D Web PageDate: 5/2/96 11:05:59 PMFrom: TandDFanP Posted on: America OnlineOops, please respond to my primary screen name - PamGotcher - I rarely check this name for mail. Thanks!!! PamSubj: Dean ENB BalletDate: 5/4/96 1:42:50 PMFrom: MargoVonT Posted on: America OnlineHi everyone,Here's more info on the Dean Ballet which will premiere on Tuesday, May 7. This is a note off the ballet newsgroup and was posted by Richard Shaw who is the Director of Public Affairs for the ENB:000200000C8B00013B8F C85,"Below is a programme note regarding Christopher Dean's first production for a Ballet Company. The ballet stars Estonian couple Thomas Edur and his wife Agnes Oaks in the cast alongside other members of the company. It has been in rehearsal for 5 weeks and makes it's London debut June 17 at the Royal Festival Hall...."Mr. Shaw continues: "I've just been in to see some of the rehearsal and I think it's going to be great. Jayne Torvill was there too!"Programme Notes for ENCOUNTERSChoreography: Christopher Dean; Assistant to the Choreographer: Andris Toppe; Music: Paul Simon; Design by Fotini Dimou; Lighting by Peter Mumford.Encounters is Christopher Dean's first work for a ballet company. Instantly recognizable as one half of the world's most legendary ice-dance duo, Dean's unrivalled talents have been translated from ice to dance. Dean has always expressed an interest in choreographing for a ballet company but his career commitments both at amateur and professional status have till now precluded this.Dean formed his partnership with Jayne Torvill in 1975 and throughout his illustrious career won a strong of medals at the British Championships, the European and World Championships, the Olympic Games, the World Professional Figure Skating and Ice Dance Championships, and the World Team Figure Skating Championships. He was also awarded an MBE in 1981 and an Honorary Degree by Nottingham Trent University in 1993.With monochrome costume representing characters in the past and colour costumes representing characters in the present, this work represents an exciting new chapter in Dean's career. Set to six songs by internationally renowned musician Paul Simon, and loosely auto-biographical, Encounters is a 25 minute ballet in the contemporary classical vein containing two pas de deux and several pas de trois and pas de quatres, which makes subtle references to personal and professional relationships in Dean's lift."There you have it -- I WANNA GO <whine> -- maybe I can win the lottery by June....<G>Margo Von T.Subj: Re:Dean ENB BalletDate: 5/4/96 8:40:12 PMFrom: DeliNellie Posted on: America OnlineI too wish I could go to see this ballet. My friend is going on the 17th. I told her that I excpected full details. So, I'll let you know second hand what it was like. Hey, Margo...Good Luck on that lottery win!!Gabriella.Subj: T&D sing too?Date: 5/4/96 9:27:42 PMFrom: MamariaP Posted on: America OnlineI was kicking around on the Net and came across a posting about an album T&D recorded in the eighties. What's the skinny on this? Does anyone have any details? Sound hilarious.JoeAnnKSubj: Re:T&D sing too?Date: 5/5/96 1:14:39 AMFrom: DeliNellie Posted on: America OnlineT&D recorded an album in Australia (the only place it was sold) for someone they called "the unluckiest man alive." There are details about it in their autobiography. Apparently the whole thing was quite funny. After all, Chris is tone-deaf. It was not out long, and there weren't many copies available to begin with. I think it would be great to hear though. Hope this helps.Gabriella.8/14/96 4:52:10 PM Closing "T&D.LOG"00040000000D000000020114816000050000000C000000020ü1481600006000000610000000210üüC310éé┴FFFFüü0éC00000┬
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